Re: Behaviours (Was: Re: ADMIN: VRML + JAVA - A Wedding)

Neophytos Iacovou ([email protected])
Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:39:54 -0500 (CDT)


Master Zap writes:
>
> > > The point here is=20
> > > -- your responses to what you do is instantaneous, as it should be.
> > > -- what other people see may be delayed, but so what? Did it rsally
> > > matter that they see what you do when you do it? Wouldn't the=20
> > > delay be acceptable?
> >
> > Any proposol that allows for this to occur should also have a set
> > of "undo" rules built into it.
>
> Either that, or some form of "authentication" about who rsally did what.
>
> This is what the single point of control is for. Yes, the response isn't
> instantaneous, unless the "brain" (the control point) is running on your
> host. And again, since my proposal allows the brain to move to any host it
> chooses.....

Yep, you are correct. The points on "undo" came about when (Linus?)
was talking about an "instantaneous" world. For the "instantaneous"
to exist "undo" or rollbacks but exist.

The "authentication" model you suggest also works, if you are willing
to agree that the first packet to hit the brain works - an assumption
I can more than live with.

If I am in a scene all by myself then why would the world not act
"instantaneous"? But as soon as a second person walks into the scene
the consistancy model could switch to the "authentication".

I *think* that under your proposal this is possible is it not? Isn't
this the same as saying "the brain is on my machine" vs "the brain is
not on my machine"? Would a check like that allow us to move between
consistancy levels?

> In my model, Fred would have to send a pick-up message to the wallets brain,
> before he can actually get it, and so would Barney.
>
> Basically, in this case, the person with the least lag to the host running
> the brain for the wallet would win. But it would never be inconsistent.

Or if Fred was alone why bother going to the Brain?

> I think you are solving a non-problem. The picking-up itself must be
> authenticated by a single control-point, IMHO.

I guess I want to get as close to an "instantaneous" world as we can.
I don't want to have to go over the network to another host if I don't
have to. Rollback keeps the world flowing smoothly - but only until
a rollback has to occur.

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