People need to realize tehnical is all well and good, no, its 
great.  However, Apple has showed the world how an "IDEA" can change the 
way everything is done.  In that case, Andrew, Apple would agree w/ you, 
an idea is *FAR* more powerful than any technical muntiea, and, if we 
fall into the trap of sustaining this technology without a clear vision 
of its future and what we wish for it to address (Andrew's philosophy) 
itr will go *nowhere*.  
	You say "Scott, you are losing it."  I beg to differ.  Evidence: 
DCE for one, presently, better than almosteverything, yet it has no 
direction, no philosophy, no idea, no vision.  Presently, from what I 
have read (I'm catching up on the background material as I have time) our 
"vision" rests on the three original people that have done and are doing 
(?) most of the formative  work on VRML.  So, like Andrew says, we can 
but why do we wish to be exclusionary concerning what philosophy we 
portray.  think of how the HTML explosion has gone, open standard.  Think 
about Quicktime, Open standard.  Think about PostScript, open standard.  
Any questions?
	BTW, I'm all for a seperate list to discuss those areas of VRML 
that apply to implemtnation undedr a MUD (used as the collective) 
environment.  Even if that includes a wholly new server that blends the 
best of all worlds (MUSH's ease of entry, MOO/MUCK's powerful complied 
object language, lpMUD's platform pervasiveness and extensibility).  Of 
course, such a new driver ought to be ultra moudlar (each commmand an 
object, on the hardcode level w/ a central, governing, API?)  Anywys, I 
babble, I'm for philosophy.
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On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Andrew C. Esh wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Alexander the Great wrote:
> 
> > *ahems* and steps up on the soap box:
> > 
> > 	The differences between "MUD"s and MUSHs have been debated 
> > elsewhere by more qualified people then many on here (I'm not meaning to 
> > be deragatory as this sounds, simply stating that this forum has 
> > different expertise on the whole).
> 
> Hmm. Why is it this list allows this huge diatribe on the differences
> between MUDs and MUSHs, and yet they go to all sorts of trouble to get rid
> of those of use who want to discuss the philosophy of, and speculate on
> the future uses of VRML? Nothing against it, but I'm feeling kind of 
> slighted. You could have saved us all the trouble and simply asked me to 
> shut up on the PHIL subject.
> 
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