Call For Discussion on HTML/HTML+ design

Daniel W. Connolly ([email protected])
Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:46:45 --100

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[I apologize for the wide distribution of this notice, but I need
to start getting this discussion archived, and www-talk has a
handy hypertext archive.]

The WWW project has recently experienced TREMENDOUS growth, and there
has been a lot of discussion lately about HTML standardization. The
current IETF draft specification of HTML has is expiring, and it's
time to replace it.

Attached are
(1) an mh-alias file that I'm using to define the forum.
(2) an edited collection of misc articles and relavent specs

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# HTML design discussion forum...
html-design: Dan Connolly -- HTML draft spec author <[email protected]>,\
Tim Berners-Lee -- WWW Project Lead <[email protected]>,\
Dale Dougherty -- GNN Publisher <[email protected]>,\
Dave_Raggett -- HTML+ draft spec author <[email protected]>,\
Dave Hollander -- SDL designer <[email protected]>,\
Elliot Kimber -- HyTime advocate <[email protected]>,\
Peter Flynn -- HTML educator<[email protected]>,\
Rob McCool -- NCSA representative<[email protected]>,\
Erik Naggum -- SGML advocate <[email protected]>,\
WWW Talk List -- Archive Mechanism <[email protected]>

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HTML Successor Design Notebook

Daniel W. Connolly <[email protected]>

$Id: html_design.html,v 1.3 1994/02/15 18:35:08 connolly Exp connolly $

Background

The World Wide Web Initiative: The Project: http://i= nfo.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
People involved in the WorldWideWeb project: http://info.= cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/People.html

Current (Published Normative) Specs

IETF draft spec of text/html content-type: ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iiir-html-01.txt<= /A>
Remote file 15.254.100.100/pub/htmlplus.dtd.txt: ftp://15.254.100= .100/pub/htmlplus.dtd.txt

Current (Informative Changing) specs

HyperText Mark-up Language: http:= //info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/MarkUp.html
How to write HTML files: http://curia.ucc= .ie/info/net/htmldoc.html

Meetings

WWW-TEI Meeting 19-20th November 1993: http:/= /itdsrv1.ul.ie/Research/WWW/cork_tei_www.html

Discussion

WWW Talk hypertext archive: htt= p://gummo.stanford.edu/html/hypermail/archives.html
comp.text.sgml index: wais://ifi.uio.no/comp.te= xt.sgml
Remote file ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iiir-html-01.tx= t: ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iiir-html-01.txt<= /A>
Re: WWW and Hytime (was Explicit Linking is Impossible): wais://ifi.uio.no/comp.text.sgml/TEXT/11048/1=3Difi.uio.no%3A= 210;2=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.text.sgml;3=3D0%2011048%20/local/ftp/pub/= SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/19930511.074728.98%40almaden.ibm.com;4=3Difi.= uio.no%3A210;5=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.text.sgml;6=3D0%2011048%20/local= /ftp/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/19930511.074728.98%40almaden.ibm.com= ;7=3D%00;
WWW and Hytime %28was Explicit Linking is Impossible%29 (in comp.text.= sgml): wais://ifi.uio.no/comp.text.sgml?WWW+and+Hy= time+%28was+Explicit+Linking+is+Impossible%29
WEK: HTML DTD and HyTime: wais://ifi.uio.no/comp.text.sgml/TEXT/12392/1=3Difi.uio.no%3A= 210;2=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.text.sgml;3=3D0%2012392%20/local/ftp/pub/= SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/19930524.152345.29%40almaden.ibm.com;4=3Difi.= uio.no%3A210;5=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.text.sgml;6=3D0%2012392%20/local= /ftp/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/19930524.152345.29%40almaden.ibm.com= ;7=3D%00;
Request for a valid HTML.DTD @ CERN: wais://ifi.uio.no= /comp.text.sgml/TEXT/12992/1=3Difi.uio.no%3A210;2=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/co= mp.text.sgml;3=3D0%2012992%20/local/ftp/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/4= E74%40cernvm.cern.ch;4=3Difi.uio.no%3A210;5=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.tex= t.sgml;6=3D0%2012992%20/local/ftp/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/4E74%40= cernvm.cern.ch;7=3D%00;

Related Specs

internet-drafts/draft-levinson-sgml-00.txt: ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-levinson-sgml-00.txt

Related Projects

GNN Home Page

Notes on Tools

This document was composed by:

Reading news with GNUS on lemacs at an X terminal, saving articles in= mh-mail folders
Browsing the comp.text.sgml archive with the emacs interface to WAIS over a dial-up connection.
Retracing my steps with Mosiac and creating a hot-list.
Mailing the hotlist to myself to get it into HTML.
Editing the resulting hotlist with html-mode in lemacs.
Validating the result with sgmls and a local copy of the HTML DTD.
Archiving the result locally with RCS
Using mhn to build a MIME message out of the results.

It's too bad that a lot of the audit trail gets lost when building these things. For example, I've coded links to some USENET news articles as WAIS URL's. Even though I know the message-id of the news article and some of my readers may have copies of those articles locally, I cannot express the link to them in HTML.

It's also too bad that the hotlist feature of Mosiac doesn't use HTML in the first place.

These are things I hope we fix soon.

I tried to use www -listrefs to generate a plaintext version, but I couldn't get it to work like I wanted... I think I gotta get tkWWW installed around here!

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